Subject: Re: [sloan-25mlog 3282] 2.5m obslog 20161217 (SJD 57740) From: John Downey Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 08:30:16 -0700 >=20 > Three out of five Glenteks amplifiers (3 bottom ones) were burned=20 > out, most probably die to power failures during the day time > (site ran on generator power until the suntset.)=20 >=20 > At 23:50Z site turned back on commercial power.=20 > We waited to be sure that it is stable and try to turned on the = amplifiers. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Notes: we moved gang connector to 1-m port after sunset, and=20 > started 1m script, but we did not see any activity on APOGEE > spectrograph connected to 1-m telescope. =20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D Questions to address by engineering crew: >=20 > 1. Why amplifiers were damaged when they were TURNED OFF (!) by power = button? > 2. Why they were damaged when 2 of 3 fuses were good (as initial = inspection showed)? > 3. Why it never happened during the last 17 years, and just happened = how? > 4. What should we do to prevent this in the future? Pull out power = plugs in the > morning? Add surge protection power stripes to the amplifiers? >=20 > Adding to 1 and 2, do we have new problems with bad grounding, phases = cross > talks, etc.? who can check it? >=20 We will know more after James has a look at the amps today, but I can = provide some initial comments. 1. The power button does not completely interrupt all incoming power to = the chassis, more likely it controls much larger contactors that are = appropriately sized for the power consumption of the amplifiers. Damage = is most likely in the circuits that drive the contactors. Turned off = does not necessarily mean completely powered down. 2. Whether fuses blow or not depends on what they are intended to = protect, and complicated units can have several fuses for different = purposes. =46rom what I understand Tracy also replaced additional fuses = before finding that all three amps behaved similarly when plugged in. 3. Most likely, just age and use. Although moving parts wear more = quickly, electrical characteristics of parts can change with age as = well. It is possible also that this is related to the last time there = was a brownout and one or both of the ALT amps were affected and = behaving oddly. Since a power cycle fixed that, I don't really think = they are related, but I can't rule it out. 4. If we do anything to isolate the amps, probably the easiest is to = turn off the circuit breakers providing power to the two circuits that = run them (assuming nothing else is on those circuits). Its another step = to turning on/off, but it requires no wiring changes and is something = that can easily be included in the routine if desired. Surge protection = is certainly something we can look into. As the technology develops = they get cheaper, and it may be cost effective to include now when it = was not 20 years ago.