Subject: Re: [sloan-25mlog 3207] Re: 2.5m obslog 20161117 (SJD 57710) From: John Downey Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:24:41 -0700 Hi Jim, We are being careful of course, thanks for the heads up. John > On Nov 18, 2016, at 2:01 PM, jeg@astro.princeton.edu wrote: >=20 >=20 > I hope I do not need to say this, but PLEASE be careful fiddling with = the > rotator PID coefficients. Keck just damaged badly a > multimillion dollar instrument when the rotator went unstable, and > we narrowly missed destroying the camera at least a couple of times > during `tuning'. It is IMPERATIVE that someone be leaning on a > stop button whenever this work is going on. You WILL damage the > dewars/detectors and collimators if the servo goes unstable. >=20 > --jim >=20 > On Fri, 18 Nov 2016, John Downey wrote: >=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Notes: >>> -Towards the end of the night we started getting some odd out of = closed loop >>> axis behavior coupled with the rotator not going all the way to zero = at >>> instrument change. For the last cart of the night this escalated to = the rotator >>> not moving at all and going out of closed loop for any movement = command. We >>> called in JohnD who determined the cause to be the rotator motor and = bearing >>> that was replaced yesterday. We closed and John is working a fix. = See log for a >>=20 >> Dan, Alex, and I have been working on this, and we think we now have = it to a stable state, to be tested all afternoon. If it misbehaves = again during testing I will stay around Sunspot at least tonight. >>=20 >> We think the problem was two fold - the difficulty restarting the = axis at all was fairly easy to correct by reseating the plug providing = power to the motor. >>=20 >> We've also found that the rotator drive is extremely sensitive to the = tension on the upper rollers/main capstan of the motor. It has to pinch = just hard enough but not too hard. The bolts for the upper rollers were = inadvertently loosened yesterday while removing the motor, and this is = most of what we have been tweaking and testing this morning. >>=20 >> One added wrinkle we've found today is that the inability to easily = adjust PID values for the servo loop is making the sensitivity of = tension extreme. If we could tighten the bolts to a reasonable degree = and then tune the servo to optimize it for the roller tension. There is = an older ticket on this matter that was attempted to be addressed last = June during the software conference, and while progress may have been = made we still do not have a means of adjustment without rebuilding the = MCP software each time a change is desired. >>=20 >> Dan or I will likely bring this up with the infrastructure list soon. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> few more details. >>> -Telescope balance: Going up, voltages weren't seen above 2000. = Going down the >>> max we saw was -3000. >>>=20 >>=20 >> The telescope was slightly back heavy, which is not surprising since = we had rebalanced at 30 rather than the more typical 50 ALT, and the = dewars were probably half empty when we did. While these voltage values = are not excessive (depending a bit on velocity of course), I should have = rebalanced at 50 when we were done. >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Logs of Nightly APO Activities >> = https://trac.sdss.org/tracmailman/browser/private/sloan-25mlog/index.html >>=20