From: "Frinchaboy, Peter" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:38:41 -0600 Subject: Re: [sdss3-25mlog 388] Re: [sdss3-plug 794] Re: 6 to plug --_000_CB0D05BBD94Bpfrinchaboytcuedu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is an increased in priority, to keep plates plugged, except is cases = of very different priority (e.g., low priority vs. MARVELS or Calibration C= luster), but I'm re-evaluating if that value should be changed. -- Peter From: Steve Majewski > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:33:40 -0600 To: Mark Klaene > Cc: P Frinchaboy >, apoge= e >, "obs-report-25m@= apo.nmsu.edu" >, plug > Subject: Re: [sdss3-25mlog 388] Re: [sdss3-plug 794] Re: 6 to plug Hi -- I think I said 1-2 plates, but I understand the point of taking into accoun= t practicalities as well as science priorities. Obviously, there are some = things that have to dictate change (e.g., moon placement). But if it is si= mply a question of a higher priority plate pushing out a lower priority pla= te that still could be observed, perhaps the autoscheduler should take this= into account. For example, if a plate is presently plugged and can still = be observed, perhaps its priority should be increased in the relative weigh= tings. -sm On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Mark Klaene wrote: we had 3 plates last week as well under the same circumstances. These kind = of request adds heavily to the pluggers work load. During the winter this m= ay mean the difference between them clearing snow and ice so we can open th= e following night or fulfilling this plugging request. It is also slowing d= own Wookie finishing and other engineering projects that the pluggers work = on our we need the plate lab for A few Months ago when we talked about this Steve made the statement it woul= d likely only be 1 plate that would need to be replugged. Now we are seeing= 3 and 6 over a period of a week I would like to hear from Steve and Daniel that the scientific justificatio= ns are there . As these kind of request continue it will mean more plugging= manpower will be needed as well as more overtime. MK On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Frinchaboy, Peter wrote: The large number of plates requested replugging, even without observation, = are due to a few reasons: 1) moon position change (i.e., we can't observe too close to the Moon) 2) re-availablility of APOGEE/MARVELS SHARED observing plates due to time b= etween observations (SHARED plates are high priority to complete), 3) loss of beginning of the night and the availability to fill an additiona= l slot at the end of the long night. This scenario should be rare, but can occur. There is a priority to keep p= lates plugged, but it is possible for a very high priority plate to be selected to replace an unobserved very low priority plugged pla= te. -- Peter From: Olena Malanushenko > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 04:44:22 -0600 To: plug > Subject: [sdss3-plug 793] 6 to plug Dear Pluggers, Boss 1 to plug: cart 12 xxxx --> 5646 (I assumed that cart 11, plate 4412 and cart 11 plate 5056 are available fo= r observations also). Apogee 5 to plug ( 1, 5, 7, 8, 9): Cart Old New In Bay Special Plug Comments 1 5564 --> 5591 X None Shared plate, please plug MA= RVELS fibers || Please plug B plate fibers 3 5275 --> 5275 X None 4 5273 --> 5273 X None 5 5501 --> .... . None 6 5500 --> 5500 X None 7 5601 --> 5569 X None Shared plate, please plug MA= RVELS fibers 8 5586 --> 5621 X None 9 5539 --> 5521 X None Cart 10 is on telescope We need the next carts in the bay: BOSS: cart 11,12 Apogee: 1,3,4,6,7,8,9 Elena, Dmitry _______________________________________________ Message 794 of sdss3-plug - SDSS-III plate plugging activities. sdss3-plug@sdss3.org https://sdss3.org/mailman/listinfo/sdss3-plug Mark Klaene Site Operations Manager Apache Point Observatory voice: 575 437 6822 PO Box 59 fax: 575 434 5555 2001 Apache Point Rd cell: 575 430 0210 Sunspot NM 88349-0059 web: www.apo.nmsu.edu _______________________________________________ Message 388 of sdss3-25mlog - Logs of nightly APO activities. sdss3-25mlog@sdss3.org https://sdss3.org/mailman/listinfo/sdss3-25mlog --_000_CB0D05BBD94Bpfrinchaboytcuedu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is an increa= sed in priority, to keep plates plugged, except is cases of very different = priority (e.g., low priority vs. MARVELS or Calibration Cluster), but I'm r= e-evaluating if that value should be changed.-- P= eterFrom: Steve Majewski Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:33:40 -0600= To: Mark Klaene Cc: P Frinchabo= y ,= apogee , "obs-report-25m@a= po.nmsu.edu" , plug Subjec= t: Re: [sdss3-25mlog 388] Re: [sdss3-plug 794] Re: 6 to plug= Hi --= I think I said 1-2 plates, but I understand the point of taking into a= ccount practicalities as well as science priorities. Obviously, there= are some things that have to dictate change (e.g., moon placement). = But if it is simply a question of a higher priority plate pushing out a low= er priority plate that still could be observed, perhaps the autoscheduler s= hould take this into account. For example, if a plate is presently pl= ugged and can still be observed, perhaps its priority should be increased i= n the relative weightings.-smOn Dec 13, 2011, at 7:38 AM, Mark Klaene wrot= e:we had 3 plates last week as well under the sam= e circumstances. These kind of request adds heavily to the pluggers work lo= ad. During the winter this may mean the difference between them clearing sn= ow and ice so we can open the following night or fulfilling this plugging r= equest. It is also slowing down Wookie finishing and other engineering proj= ects that the pluggers work on our we need the plate lab for= A few Months ago when we talked about this Steve made the statement it= would likely only be 1 plate that would need to be replugged. Now we are s= eeing 3 and 6 over a period of a weekI would like t= o hear from Steve and Daniel that the scientific justifications are there .= As these kind of request continue it will mean more plugging manpowe= r will be needed as well as more overtime.MKOn Dec 13, 2011, at 8:26 = AM, Frinchaboy, Peter wrote:The= large number of plates requested replugging, even without observation, are= due to a few reasons: 1) moon position change (i.e., we c= an't observe too close to the Moon) 2) re-availablility of = APOGEE/MARVELS SHARED observing plates due to time between observations (SH= ARED plates are high priority to complete), 3) loss of begi= nning of the night and the availability to fill an additional slot at the e= nd of the long night.This scenario should be rare= , but can occur. There is a priority to keep plates plugged, but it i= s possible for a very high priority plate to be selected to= replace an unobserved very low priority plugged plate.-- PeterFrom: Olena Malanushenko Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 04:44:22 -0600To: plug Subject: [sdss3-plug 793] 6 to plugDear Pluggers,Boss 1= to plug: cart 12 xxxx --> 5646(I assumed that cart 11, plate 4412 and cart 11 plate 5056 are availabl= e for observations also). Apogee 5 to= plug ( 1, 5, 7, 8, 9): Cart Old New In Bay Special Plug Comments 1 5564 --> 5591 X None Shared plat= e, please plug MARVELS fibers || Please plug B plate fibers = =20 3 5275 --> 5275 X None = = =20 4 5273 --> 5273 X None = = =20 5 5501 --> .... . None = = =20 6 5500 --> 5500 X None = = =20 7 5601 --> 5569 X None Shared plate, = please plug MARVELS fibers = =20 8 5586 --> 5621 X None = = =20 9 5539 --> 5521 X None = = Cart 10 is on telescopeWe need the n= ext carts in the bay: BOSS: cart 11,12Apogee: 1,3,4,6,7,8,9Elena, Dmitry _______________________________________________Message 794 of sdss3-plu= g - SDSS-III plate plugging activities.sdss3-plug@sdss3.orghttps://sdss3.org/mailman/listinfo/sdss3-plugMark KlaeneSite Operations Manager Apache Point Observatory = voice: 575 437 6822PO Box 59 &n= bsp; &= nbsp;fax: 575 434 55552001 Apache Point Rd &nbs= p; cell: 575 430 0210Sunspot NM 88349-0059 web: www.apo.nmsu.edu = _______________________________________________Message 388 of = sdss3-25mlog - Logs of nightly APO activities.sdss3-25mlog@sdss3.orghttps://sdss3.org/mailman/listinfo/sdss3-25= mlog --_000_CB0D05BBD94Bpfrinchaboytcuedu_--